guitar effects
hi everyone, i wonder if anybody out there can help me, i'm looking for a cheap guitar effects pedal which will give the sound of humbucker pick up's on a guitar fitted with single coils, i want to try to get a chugging metal type sound out my strat copy, i'd be delighted if someone could help me, cheers darren [enemy within].
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Permalink Reply by guitargunn on
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First off....if you are going through the PC....I use Line 6 Guitarport...its only $99.00 and can emulate a lot of different effects...amps and cabinets....however, if you are looking for live performance and PC...then i would suggest the V-amp 2 from behringer........this thing works very well both ways...It is also $99.00......I have used the V-amp 2 at a couple of gigs and it works great...you can even go directly through the board without an amp also...the only thing with this unit....there is a slight delay between switching effects....if you want go even cheaper and easier to play with then....i would suggest the digitech RP80...i have also gigged once with this thing...the only problem i had...was sometimes i get a little too rough with the wah....and i broke the footswitch...but thats just me...lol
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http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/DigiTech-RP80-Modeling-Guita...
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-VAMP-2-Amp-Modeler...
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Line-6-GuitarPort-XT-Guitar-...
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Permalink Reply by Enemy Within on
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hi and thank you to everybody who gave there help and advice, i already use a korg ax3g effects unit which has some good fx's and amp sims, but i still can't get the big chugging metal type guitar tone without humbuckers, i have asked irongear about replacing the single coils in my guitar but was told it would require some major rewiring and as i've never fitted pickups to a guitar before they thought this may be to much to ask of me, this is a real shame because i'm on a limited budget and don't really want to buy a second guitar, i wondered if there was some sort of pedal out there but i've been adived there is'nt, anyway thanks again and if anybody else has any ideas i'd love to hear them, many thanks and merry christmas, darren [enemy within].
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Permalink Reply by Loki Laufeyiarson on
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No, no, no! No Behringer! That's 99 bucks thrown away. Our leadguitarist used to play on that thing with a guitar suited with humbucks and his sound was god-awfull compared to mine. And at the time I was playing on a strat with only single coils. And we're playing metal.
Keep in mind that it's not just your guitar that creates your sound. Also your amp, picks, fx chain and even the way you stroke and put your fingers on the strings. So also take a look at those. And could you tell us what your set-up is nowadays?
I do think modelling is the way to go if you really want a humbuck-sim. But when you want a simulator that's anywhere near halfway decent, getting a new guitar is probably a cheaper option for you.
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Permalink Reply by starr ackerman on
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You can get a fine sound using AmpliTube. Check it out here at AmpliTube.com
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Permalink Reply by max derelict on -
No mate, Max here, I've tried this, listen to No Time Like Tomorrow, the thick sound is a Jap Squier Strat thru POD2 mesa boogie amp model. It is still not quite there. I just don't have time now (mixing vocal stuff then back to job hunting) to prove this you. It cannot really be done, no pedal will cure the distinctive s/coil sound....
There are things you can do, like double the track, compress with the input jacked up a bit, roll off the tops.... but here is the answer, simple: I bought a Chinese Ibanez GIO superstrat with the 2 humbuckers/1 single coil layout, brand new it was equiv 100 pounds sterling, in other words for a little more than a good pedal you get a guitar (intonation 99.9%) that will do the real thing.
This gtr wouldn't last 2 songs at a gig in tune, but its stock pickups sound excellent.... what can I do here... tell you what, I challenge anyone here with any pedal(s) and s/coil strat combo to better the 'bucker chug you are talking about, end of Jan. I have a POD2 (sounds better than the fancy newer one because it is grittier, I wonder if the converters are even 16-bit, probably 12) or a Vox Tonelab. With those two boxes I can get get pretty much any sound out of the Chinese Ibanez IN THE MIX you have heard on on this miserable earth. (still haven't heard Ampli 2 or Waves GTR or the TC board, at those prices I never will!)
Live I will use my Tube Screamer and Marsall Bluesbreaker (original model) pedals to run into a plexi reissue, but we are talking DAW here, right? Yes I have access to a plexi with the best Russian EL34s, it beats the amp sims hands down but at the end of the day, in the mix on a computer, the punter WILL NOT tell the difference. You can mic up, I will go DI... sorry for the arrogance but it is a very interesting issue to me since I was once a diehard "tape or die" guy, let alone not micing up! No such thing as a digital guitar sound blah blah.... I was insistent about that, and when I first messed around with the POD's presets I nearly threw the damn thing away... in time I got used it to it though, it is a totally different experience playing live thru pedals pushing level into an amp but now... bring 'em on.. NI's Guitar Rig was their first dud product in my humble opinion: great effects racks, hopeless amp sim. Maybe they've fixed it. The Tonelab has a MUCH better sound.
OK guys, so how about ZZ Top's "La Grange" (just the riff not the track reconstructed) first week of Feb, what do you say. I know the last challenge remains unfulfilled -- I still have to send in a marked -up copy of MTM (the local newsagent stopped selling it sadly), but give it a go and tell me what you used...
Then we put it to a vote. What say?
Darren I'm saying it cannot be done without a modified strat (with bridge humbucker or stacked dMarzio thing). I LOVE strats, but there is another trick they cannot do: listen to the octave glissando lead sound on my soppier trax dedicated to certain women: you can do what you like but you will not get that sound out of a strat s/coil neck p/up. That is the sound of a stock humbucker. The Ibanez does a good imitation, but not as silky. Duke Robillard and Robben Ford have used strats for jazz, but that lush Wes Montgomery octave lead sound, you need a neck humbucker. Good luck, technique is another aspect.
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Uhm...
Long story, but now what was exactly the challenge? Getting the La Grange lick played with a strat with only single coils to sound just like the original or something?
But you're right on the "get real humbucks"-part though. I've got a 300 euros digital fx-pedal and still the humbuck-sim doesn't come close to the real deal. I've always been playing metal on my fender strat (no cheap-ass copy), but recently I bought a new guitar with a H/S/H setup and switched off the humbuck-sim on my pedal and the sound is sooooooooooooooo much better then it was before with the strat (for playing metal that is). Now the only reason the pedal is still in my live set-up is because of the wah-sim. But I'm seriously considering getting a proper cry-baby to replace it, it saves so much room in front of me. :)
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Permalink Reply by max derelict on
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No that is confusing so: I am going to try this: I am going to play it on the H/S/H Ibanez DI'ed thru both POD and Tonelab, then the Jap Squier Strat (1983, it sounds pretty good, dark tone for blues and funk, rosewood neck). Using an RME ADI-2 converter to a Hammerfall card. Apart from anything else you just cannot get the level out of a single coil. But pushing up the level with a pedal won't help!
I am also not suggesting that I can get the SAME sound that I get from the mic'd up plexi (and I would prefer to use both a Shure and a condenser mic, neither too close) point is I can get a tolerable DI'ed sound in my front room. No the point was there is no pedal that will get the damped rhythm chug sound Darren is talking about, for lead anything is possible and often more desirable than the humbucker. I have relied on 2 guitars with single coils in the bridge position for years because I rarely used a distorted tone, but since having the Ibanez put some level into the amp sims I appreciate the difference.
There's nothing like a cranked valve amp with a good pedal in front of it: except when the proper studio is miles away and one lives in a cramped complex. I hated my POD for a while until I got on top of tweaking it and the Tonelab is a pleasure to play thru even if has a fizzy top end and a vague bottom. The people who actually like my alleged music and particularly my guitar licks are mostly women: ask them if they could care less how I got the guitar sound... (excluding all you female Michael Schenker and Steve Vai imitators, nothing wrong with extreme guitar sound in my book, but I prefer a jazzy/funky thing). Saddest equipment loss so far in the SA crime avalanche was a Vox wah, nothing comes close. There is meant to be a sim in my tonelab, but I need the proprietary pedal, which costs more than the Tonelab!
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Permalink Reply by max derelict on
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Darren, I had that unit. Forget it the filter (envelope follwer effect) is nice but the thing thins out the guitar sound, no distortion on it worth a bean, clean tones only (thin! horrible) all the cheap ones do, the Behringer V-Tone is crap, their single pedals are better for some reason, particularly the Sansamp /DI thing for guitar and bass. I use it as my bass DI as my old Urei is in the studio. It's not bad at all, fat tone. Do yself a favour and buy an Ibanez GIO Chinese superstrat ,I will send you the sound u want asap ... 2 days.. they are 100 pounds, check the neck doesn't cut the notes above the octave. Won't stay in tune live for more than a song, but a fantastic studio guitar . I use it in preference to my Gibson Marauder 75 or jap Squier strat, even for jazzy sounds. For distortion few if any amp sims do it, the software is rubbish. Fizz and fuzz but no chug. Will send mp3s you'll get the idea. I have been messing with this for years. The guitarport is about the best compromise because it has Pod2 sounds (I have Pod2) Rougher but far better than the new one AFAI can hear... trust me mate this has been an obsession for years. Ibanez GIO solved the problem one time
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